Key Business Committee Minutes 2018

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: January 2018 KTH Minutes PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 01/31/2018 08:11:12 AM

BODY: Summary of KeyBiz Minutes for January 2018 (each individual email can be found on the key biz website so all details of who said what and in what order are not included here)

Participating this month 1.Arlene, 2. Barb, 3.BJ 4.Cathy, 5. Darlene, ,6. Kate, 7. Joyce, 8. Shelley, 9. Sophie

Not Participating (BJ Indicates 11 members) 10. 11.

( Shelly, you will have to check…I think BJ is on the keybiz roster twice because os her being chair. I don’t know who the one with no name is or who mimsmlod is?…is one of these Cathy?)

Reports Arlene reported the assistant treasurer report for November 29-12/31 (likely will be included in Kate’s upcoming Treasurer Report and will likely be posted to key biz via Kate so I didn’t see the need to list it here.)

2. (if any, etc)

Discussions

New member Sophie introduced, welcomed. Sophie volunteer to be a chair and also to serve as Sponsorship Coordinator (a position which has been dormant)

2. Members discussed the benefits and drawbacks of on line sponsorship - especially benefits for members not able to get to face to face meetings.

3. There was a suggestion that members to use Sponsorship as a topic when they serve as upcoming chairs. Cathy E, Sophie, and Joyce volunteered to do so. The feeling was that a more than one topic would be beneficial since the chairs would have different perspectives.

4. It was suggested that these chair volunteers include the owners addy so members could reply until we have a coordinator in place (BJ suggested)

5. It was suggested that someone “scope” out a list of possible sponsors (must be done first) and then pass that to the main group for those wanting a sponsor. (BJ suggested). No volunteers.

6. A Committee to write the guideline for the Coordinator Position was suggested and Cathy E and Sophie have volunteered so far. We need a sample set of guidelines for the perspective coordinator (who is Sophie). We have a draft of previous guidelines was provided.

7. A vote was called for Item 1-1/2018 to Reinstate the Sponsorship Coordinator and a timeframe was set to reach a unanimous decision. That decision was promply reached before the deadline and the deadline recinded.

8- Discussion requested of what to include and what to include regarding what would be duties of sponsor/sponsee…e.g. It is not the duty of the Coordinator or this committee to straighten out a “fix” to sponsor/sponsee relationships that do not work out. Several concurred that it is not our reponsibility to “fix”.

(Shelly - As of January 23, we are still awaiting more discussion on t

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: Concise February 2018 KTH Minutes PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 02/28/2018 03:05:27 PM

BODY: February 2018 KTH Minutes Concise

Members Participating 1. Arlene- yes 2. Barb - yes 3 BJ - yes 4. Cathy - yes 5. Darlene - yes 6. Kate - yes 7. Joyce - yes 8. Shelley- yes 9. Sophie- yes 10. Mary -no

Reports: None

Old Business: Sponsorship Discussion A. Unanimously, Sophie was confirmed and declared Sponsorship

B. From BJ I understand from the current discussion:

1 - The Coordinator is asking members willing to be an OL sponsor. Use of personal email address (or a 2d one made by Coordinator for this specific use) is necessary. (If there are none willing to serve, this topic is nil, that goes without saying.)

2 - The Coordinator then asks for those wanting an OL sponsor. Again, the use of the Coordinator's personal email address or a 2d one specifically for this purpose, is used. Coordinator provides Sponsor list to these members, such as it is, with the understanding that what goes on between sponsor/sponsee is their business, not ours if there are problems. Also Coordinator can suggest that members wanting an OL sponsor read and respond to those members for whom their shares resonate.

Any OL CAL pertaining to sponsorship can be provided with the URL leading to that CAL. Groups do not have the legal right to site more than one paragraph (with documentation) of any CAL. Members need to be encouraged to obtain CAL themselves, either OL or in person.

C. Sponsorship letter finalized and sent to members of KTH February 8th

Dear Key members, Sponsorship statement: As a group, we believe in sponsorship as a tool in our recovery. We have found that this mutual interchange benefits both of the people involved.

Would those of you who are available to sponsor please send me an email at scgauthier@hotmail.com with your name and preferred email address by February 18th so that I can create a list of sponsors? Thanks for your service.

Sophie Sponsorship coordinator D. Sponsorship Statement Sponsorship statement: As a group, we believe in sponsorship as a tool in our recovery. We have found that this mutual interchange benefits both of the people involved, and we encourage you to explore this important tool of the Al-Anon Program.  Asking someone to be your sponsor is a part of your own personal recovery in Al-Anon and ultimately a personal decision

G. On February 19, Sophie indicated she has a list of potential sponsors and requested permission to send the following to the members

Hi everyone, The list of OL sponsors is now ready. Do i have a green light to send out the following email to the main group ? In service, Sophie

Dear Key to Harmony members,

Sponsorship statement: As a group, we believe in sponsorship as a tool in our recovery. We have found that this mutual interchange benefits both of the people involved, and we encourage you to explore this important tool of the Al-Anon Program.  Asking someone to be your sponsor is a part of your own personal recovery in Al-Anon and ultimately a personal decision.

How to proceed? You may choose to contact a potential sponsor directly but you can also ask the Sponsorship Coordinator who will provide you with an updated list of people who are available to sponsor. Please note that the Coordinator will not choose a sponsor for you, direct you towards someone specific nor intervene in what is an intimate relationship between two people in recovery. affirmations from Darlene, Shelley, Cathy, Joyce, Barb Posted to members February 20 New Business : BJ opened February meeting to new business discussions, comments, suggestions (February 12)

None Suggested

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: Concise March 2018 KTH MINUTES PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 03/31/2018 03:26:14 PM

BODY: Concise March 2018 KTH Minutes

Members Participating 1. Arlene- yes 2. Barb - yes 3 BJ - yes 4. Cathy - Yes 5. Darlene - yes 6. Kate - yes 7. Joyce - yes 8. Shelley- yes 9. Sophie- yes 10. Mary - no 11. Buddy- yes

Reports: 1. Bill (information from BJ) Account # 14667 Invoice ID : 20180304-21516 Due Date: 3/11/18 Balance Due $97.20 Product Name: Shared Website Hosting Plesk - Starter Hosting keytwoharmony.org 3/11/2018 - 3/10/2019 $97.20 Managed DNS-Free DNS Hosting 3/11/2018-3/10/2018 $0.00 Total Due. $97.20

Business

Change of address for Darlene = serenitykth@gmail.com

Change of address for Joyce = joycek1010.kth@gmail.com Problems with yahoogroups members site with lengthy discussion as to how to proceed...stay with yahoogroups or go to a new site Buddy joined Keybiz...he is a tech person and is willing to assist/explain tech issues and assist in brainstorming possible solutions.

E. Discussion continues into April.

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: Welcome to the Key to Harmony Weblog PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 04/30/2018 10:13:41 AM

BODY: <img src="http://key2harmony.org/bf320.jpg" />

Welcome to the Key to Harmony blog where you will find announcements, reports and information regarding the Key online Al-Anon Family Group.

Here the Key to Harmony Business Committee will make announcements affecting the Key meeting, the group or Al-Anon as a whole. The secretary of the Business Committee will post minutes from meetings of the committee.

The Key to Harmony treasurer will post periodic treasurer's reports regarding the group's financial information.

You will also find here the Chair Schedule detailing who will is scheduled to chair each week's Sunday and Thursday meetings.

When new items are posted here, a link to this page may be posted to the Key to Harmony mailing list to notify all members.

If you have any questions or comments, please <a href="http://keytoharmony.org/contact.html">contact us</a>.

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: April 2018 KTH MINUTES PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 05/13/2018 11:21:40 AM

BODY: April 2018 KTH Minutes

Members Participating 1. Arlene-yes 2. Barb - yes 3 BJ - yes 4. Cathy - yes 5. Darlene - yes 6. Kate - yes 7. Joyce - yes 8. Shelley- yes 9. Sophie- yes 10. Mary - no 11. Buddy- yes

Reports: Chair Coordinator (Barb) I am still void of chairs for the following weeks: Apr. 29th & May 3rd, May 20th & 24th, and May 27th & 31st. I took May 6th & 10th and Darlene took May 13th & 17th.

It seems that it is getting harder to fill all the spots, doesn't it? And I'm sending out the exact same chair requests as the previous person sent out!

B. Bizcom Assistant Chair (Shelley) : posted February 2018 minutes and March Minutes to yahoogroups site

C. Treasurer’s Report (Kate): Not available

D. Assistant Treasurer’s Report ( Arlene)

      Balance Feb 8:      $416.21
      No debits/ credits
      Balance March 8:  $416.21
      Debit March 9:            97.20
               Netsonic web hosting
       Balance April 8:        319.01

E. Sponsorship Coordinator’s Report (Sophie): Not available

Old Businesses Yahoogroups or Alternative BJ asked for a summary

Summary from Buddy:  To keep it very simply, nothing has happened. lol.  It appears that the group conscience is that now that YahooGroups is working again and there are bugs with the new system that setting up the new list should be delayed but kept as an emergency option for the future. (All of this discussion took place on the "old" keybiz list at YahooGroups and not the new one @key2harmony.org)

The "bugs" with the new list are mostly not with the Mailman software itself but with the general state of the email system today in general and are not something that can necessarily be fixed.

I strongly suspect that the same non-delivery issues that we experienced with the list/address keybiz@key2harmony.org are also being experienced with the list/address keytoharmony@yahoogroups.com

I know from my personal experience in the last 2/3 weeks with this laserbuddy@yahoo.com email address that I am NOT receiving all KEY shares. I see replies to the meeting openings, but do not see the actual openings. I've seen only one closing.

The only thing that did change in this process is you got your old website back .

3. Question from Cathy and answer from BJ

    Cathy question )Key to Harmony is not on the list of Al-Anon support

groups. Why???

      (BJ response) Because there are Al-Anon pages where K2H is listed and it is easy to find OL meetings as well as f2f meetings Years ago we had too many problems with people signing up to K2H for reasons other than program recovery: people who wanted to write books/articles/term papers/interview members, preachers who wanted to preach, and those who were looking for dates/women, etc. KEYbiz, at that time, voted to keep K2H info off of public sites and list only with certified Al-Anon pages, i.e WSO, OLAIS. BJ

B. Request for Chairpersons to fill out current schedule (Barb).

1.Sophie , Shelley, Darlene , Joyce stepped up. 2.Darlene noted :” There are times that it is harder to round up enough volunteers.I very often had to "ask around" the group of people I've come to know on Key and also Key members who had chaired in the past. By doing that I was able to usually fill 3 months of scheduled meetings.”

New Business A. Crosstalk Question

Does anyone know why there are so many emails hitting the regular Key list that really should be going just to the writer of the share? (Darlene)

Trying to fix the problem of senders never seeing their own posts, we changed the settings so that replies go to "everyone." Before replies only went to the original poster (sender). Not sure if that worked or not since I have not yet sent a post to the main KEY list. We may need to change it back to Replies going to the Sender only. (BJ) The delivery status has been changed back to what it was previously. (BJ) Also, when replying, especially in a group situation, be sure to only use the K2H or KEYbiz "reply to" and leave off individual addys. This happens a lot in KEYbiz by individuals who reply to the group addy but do not delete the individuals' addys. From what you have seen happening with the main group, it makes a lot of email to receive when only one to the group address will do the job. The subject of cross talk is fully covered in the files sent to each member upon joining K2H. They are also available in toto on the keytoharmony yahoogroups membership page files for any member to read and/or copy. If you kept your copies of these Guidelines, as every member is asked to do upon joining, you can individually send the Guidelines to those asking for clarification and they are also sent out the first of each month to the entire group (BJ)

B. Using BCC 1. If you BCC yourself on any email message is sends a copy of that message directly to your personal email address. Your server "delivers" the message to your server. It does not go through the YahooGroups server, so therefore receiving that message in your inbox does NOT prove that your message came through to the list. It does give you a copy of the message in your inbox, but doesn't prove it was delivered to anyone else. (Buddy)

C..  Keybiz members

1. Wondering if Mary of Oz is still a member of this committee? I wanted to email her to see if she is ok since we haven’t heard from her at all this year. (Joyce) 2. Joyce emailed her with no response 3. Kate will try to reach Mary. 4. Buddy did not have any confirmation of questions sent earlier this year to Mary.

D... Opening share not reaching Members or groups.yahoo.com site 4/22 1. Keybiz Chair Coordinator (Barb) resent Sophie’s Opening and others confirmed problem . Barb’s send of Sophie’s Opening did not go through on Sunday. Joyce’s resend of Sophie’s Opening did go through on Monday. 2. BJ asked me to post to the KEY list and to KeyBiz a reminder that nothing has changed as far as how the two lists work. To post a message to the KeyBiz committee use this address: keybiz@yahoogroups.com

REPLY will send your reply to the original sender ALL all members of keybiz.

Hope this helps,Buddy

E. Technical Support 1. Hi, I'm Buddy, grateful member of Al-Anon. I have been helping the Key Business Committee with some of the technical problems that we have been experiencing with YahooGroups lately.

At one point, when YahooGroups appeared to be down altogether, the Biz Committee considered moving the meeting to a new email listserv. But, they decided NOT to do that when YahooGroups began to work again.

ATherefore, nothing has changed with how Key to Harmony works. To send an opening, closing or new message to the entire group use this address: keytoharmony@yahoogroups.com

When you receive a message from KEY you have the following options:

REPLY will send a reply to the original sender of the message

ONLY.REPLY ALL will send your reply to the send AND the entire KEY list.

We are still experiencing some bugs with the YahooGroups system and trying to come up with solutions. We now have an emergency back-up system in place that we can implement if YahooGroups decides to completely shut down again, so we have made progress. :)

If you have any questions about how KEY works technically, please reply to THIS email and I will try to answer.

H. Other Technical Issues

Members having difficulties unsubscribing (Joyce )
Suggestion that members having difficulty unsubscribing write to keytoharmony-owner@yahoogroups.com (BJ)

BJ having difficulty reaching the members and reaching Keybiz Barb and Sophie having difficulty posting to members Suggestion to revisit leaving yahoogroups (BJ) via mail to Joyce, Darlene, Buddy. “Personally, I am ready to change to Buddy's system if that will clear things up for all of us at K2H. Can you all present this idea to the Bizcom? Get a discussion and a decision? Otherwise, given the few days I intend to wait, I will have to bow out of Key altogether. I don't know what else to do. IAs I already have one g.mail account, I don't see that can help me being the owner of both sites. I have no idea how to proceed. Any ideas Buddy?”

Reconsidering Leaving Yahoogroups

1. After our discussion, I did a search in the status of yahoo groups. Yahoo was bought by verizon (along with aol and others) and is now part of Oath. I started the search for Oath after going to the AFG website and looking at how to access other online groups. In clicking another group, I was referred to Oath’s terms of service and privacy policy (as in, there is no privacy….their goal is to get more ads in your face.)

If you are able to access this site via the link below, you will read that it is only a matter of time before yahoo groups goes away…and it will likely go away without notice. So, the sooner we come with an alternative, the better. https://groups.io/g/4Lorne/topic/groupmanagerforum_at/10163114?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,10163114. (Shelley)

2. Yes, Shelley....this is the sort of thing I've seen others referring to on message boards, scattered among the numerous complaints...(unsure who said this, no signature)

J. Buddy’s Summary of Current yahoogroups’s Situation

Just trying to put together a view of the current situation here.

>So yes...I'm ready to try something new if Buddy feels the new site is able to do the job.<<

>If I am not mistake, reason we did not switch to the new system was that things were not going through there smoothly, either.<<

>If you are able to access this site via the link below, you will read that it is only a matter of time before yahoo groups goes away…and it will likely go away without notice. So, the sooner we come with an alternative, the better..<<

>Personally, I am ready to change to Buddy's system if that will clear things up for all of us at K2H. <<

I think we agree that the YahooGroups situation is deteriorating and is only going to get worse, if not disappear altogether someday without much notice.

We also agree that the Mailman system we installed at key2harmony.org is not perfect either. But *most* of those problems are related to the general state of email today caused by the almost militant effort by service providers to protect us from Spam at any costs.

Those problems are not going away. Email simply does not work as well as it once did in general due to the abuse of the system by spammers over the years.

But, Key to Harmony already has those problems, trust me. From the activity level of the group that I have witnessed since joining the mailing list March 22, I can assure you that no where near 600 people are receiving Key to Harmony openings and closings on Sundays and Thursdays.

Moving Key to the Mailman system might actually decrease some of the delivery problems because we will certainly end up sending fewer than 600 emails with each share and be less likely to be treated as spammers.

But, the delivery problems with email in general are not going away and I cannot guarantee you that moving to the Mailman system is going to work for everyone all of the time.

However, for those members who do make the transition to the new system by subscribing successfully and who add the address key@key2harmony.org to their contacts, whitelist, safe sender list, etc. it should work better than YahooGroups is working now.

Buddy

K. Testing Request By Buddy

Before we make any moves on the main KEY list, I want to run a couple of test with the KeyBiz Mailman list on the new server.

When you receive this message please click Reply and type "here" or "Got it" or "received" or whatever.

Please do not CC or BCC yourself or add any other addresses in the "To" field.

Please do not Reply All, just Reply.

If you are subscribed to this list with more than one email address, please reply once from EACH of the addresses where you receive this message.

I'm sending this at 1:05 p.m. Eastern Time Wednesday, April 25.

Thanks, Buddy

___ Keybiz mailing list Keybiz@key2harmony.org http://key2harmony.org/mailman/listinfo/keybiz_key2harmony.org

Received from Sophie, BJ, Cathy, Joyce, Darlene, Shelley Not received by Kate, , Arlene , Mary in Oz

L. Summary of Test (Buddy) Hi KeyBizzers,

I came here a month ago as a personal favor to my friend BJ to try to analyze the problems KEY was having with YahooGroups and try to find a solution. I am ready to make a recommendation, but you are probably not going to like it.

The results of our test yesterday revealed the underlying problem facing email discussion groups today. Mailman (the software I installed on key2harmony.org) did it's job fine by SENDING the test message to every one of the 13 addresses on the keybiz list.

The test message left the key2harmony.org server and was sent to each individual address, but those messages were not DELIVERED to all of those addresses.

-- Sophie and Darlene received the test message unimpeded and unfiltered. This proves that Mailman worked as designed, the messages WERE sent successfully.

-- Cathy and Joyce found it in their Junk folders.

-- Shelley replied to someone's reply, not the original.

-- BJ thought she received it at 2 of her 3 addresses, but she replied to Sophie's reply, not the original.

-- I did not ever receive the test at either of my 2 addresses.

-- We never heard from Arlene, Kate or Mary in Oz.

In other words, all 13 messages were SENT by Mailman, but only four (31%) were RECEIVED, and half of those were filtered into Spam folders.

Therein lies the problem. In today's Internet environment, a majority of multi-address email messages are being filtered or outright blocked by Internet Service Providers - the people that we pay to deliver our email! -- Cox, Comcast, Bellsouth, etc. as well as Yahoo mail, Gmail, Hotmail, etc.

The problem is there is nothing that we can do to force our service providers to deliver all of our email. We can add the address to our whitelists, safe senders, or contacts, and that will help some of us, but not all of us. I've got all of that set up in my email accounts, but yesterday I did not receive the test message at either address.

Yesterday, we used a listserv that we set up a month ago and all of us had used previously for at least two weeks and still only 31% of us received a simple test message.

What I am trying to explain as simply as I can is that the entire email system is becoming increasingly dysfunctional and getting to the point of becoming obsolete. And we are powerless to do anything about it.

Email is the dial telephone of Internet communications. It's on the way out.

We can move KEY from YahooGroups to Mailman, but it may not work any better. With a lot of work and training of KEY members on using whitelists, etc. we may see some improvement, but it's certainly not guaranteed.

Another option would be to go back to a paid listserv service. Here are some that are available: https://gaggle.email/compare-group-email-services

If this committee votes to do so, I will help you set up the main list on Mailman at key2harmony.org but please understand that there will be problems - undelivered mail, shares not showing up, openings and closing disappearing. Mailman will not solve all of the problems.

And also understand that Buddy will not be able to stay around for the long term and serve as technical support. Providing tech support for my own sites keeps me busy answering 50-100 queries a day.

Given all the information, going to a paid service may be your best option.

Buddy

._,._

Posted by: Buddy <laserbuddy@yahoo.com M. Considering new site (sent to members) Hi Keyers,

I would like to ask everyone who is interested to please look over the site that Buddy suggested: https://gaggle.email/compare-group-email-services. Comments may be sent to the K2H Business Committee at <keybiz@yahoogroups.com> or <keytoharmony-owner@yahoogroups.com>

Please include any suggestions and comments you want to make. We are looking for a better email listserve. It appears the old ways, like yahoogroups.com, are on their way out. A new server will cost money/donations. If you know a good working, reliant one, please give that information to the Business Committee (KEYbiz)

in Al-Anon, BJ, Business Commmittee Chair

REPLIES 1. My "limited knowledge-based" opinion is that Gaggle Mail would probably work for us. An annual cost of $120. for 300 members seems doable. (Darlene)

N. Questions for Buddy from BJ with answers directly below each questions

How long will it take to change from yahoogroups.com to https://gaggle.email/compare-group-email-services ?<<

They offer a 14-day free trial, so you can create a new group and begin to invite KEY members to go subscribe to the new list as soon as you create the gaggle group. BTW, they charge 40 cents per YEAR per member. You cannot mass subscribe your current members, they each have to sign up individually. Hopefully, you can get all of KEY signed up at Gaggle within 14 days and know what the costs will be before you make the first payment. Here are the apparent steps: Go to https://gaggle.email/ and scroll down to Start a 14 day free trial now. Type in the name of the group: keytoharmony@gaggle.email At this point I assume they will ask you to set up a new account with a username, password, and credit card, etc. After your group is created then invite present KEY members to join the group. If you want to create the account and then send me the log-in information, I can set up a subscription page on key2harmony.org that KEY members can use, if you like.

>Will we still need NetSonic? If so, what

services do they provide us?<<

No, when your next NetSonic bill is due you will not need to pay it. Right now, NetSonic is hosting your keyTWOharmony.org website, which is being auto-redirected to key2harmony..org which is hosted on my server. I am giving you a year's free hosting (because you just paid NetSonic for a year). Will we be able to keep our domain name as it is?

Yes, you will keep the domain name key2harmony.org When you stop paying NetSonic, your old keyTWOharmony.org domain will expire, but you won't need it. It will have been redirecting to the new domain for a year already at that point

What are your charges?<<

I will charge you $50/year which will include hosting services and annual domain name registration fees. You were paying NetSonic $99 for hosting plus registration fees.

>You have us, both our groups, down-loaded, don't you? We are ready to change the both groups when the time comes?<<

Yes, but we cannot just move those addresses over to Gaggle. Each individual member of Keytoharmony and keybiz will have to sign up individually at Gaggle.

Buddy

O. WELCOME TO THE MAILING LIST ....FOR MEMBERS (from BJ)

Welcome to the "Keytoharmony" mailing list.

HOW THE LIST WORKS When you send an email to keytoharmony@gaggle.email every member of the list will get the email. That's all there is to it.

CHANGE YOUR SETTINGS You can change the email address where you receive these messages or unsubscribe here: https://gaggle.email/member/KC6MwaQF

ANY QUESTIONS? If you aren't sure why you're on the list, or if you have any questions about how it works, you can contact the list administrator here bjt91287@yahoo.com.

P. Feedback

From (Joyce)  Hi and thanks for all your work.

1 -I agree with Buddy not to automatically move 600+ possible members. I think it best that we go with a smaller group

2 -I am unsure who the Welcome Letter I received went to...just the Business Committee? Or to the members on yahoogroups where we do our shares and ES&H?

3 -Where will the Business Committee correspondence go when we go to the new list serve? Will we use the keybiz@key2harmony.org for Business. Where will the Reports, Minutes, etc be saved?

4 - I suggest we HOLD the 3 setS OF Automatic Guidelines that are sent monthly until we work this out. To have them go out automatically in May will be confusing if they contain incorrect addresses.

 From  Darlene

My "limited knowledge-based" opinion is that Gaggle Mail would probably work for us. An annual cost of $120. for 300 members seems doable.

From Unsigned: I agree with the smaller set up....inviting the members to join the new list. Is it possible to send an invitation more than once to the Yahoo Key Main Group? Or does it shut down all at once?

I can't see paying for 600 members when it seems obvious that we don't really have 600 members receiving emails. And since they won't ever unsubscribe, we will continue to pay for these unknown members.

That's my two cents worth...

From Shelley I think it is a good idea to move forward and a very bad idea to move everyone. It is time to cull the herd. Those who wish for ‘the good old days’ when more people shared are not looking at our reality. We are a small group of active participants. Those of us who read and share get something out of the group as it is....and this is ok. How many of you attend face to face meetings with 600 active members? Who really wants to? Those inactive folks who do not participate (over 525 would be my guess) are not really members of key, they are email addresses on a list. I would vote in favor of a reliable working, active group.

THEN Minutes taker lost track of feedback .....have done the best I could

Q. WELCOME TO KEYBIZ MAILING LIST (from BJ)

Welcome to the "Keybiz" mailing list.

HOW THE LIST WORKS When you send an email to keybiz@gaggle.email every member of the list will get the email. That's all there is to it.

CHANGE YOUR SETTINGS You can change the email address where you receive these messages or unsubscribe here: https://gaggle.email/member/eA2u1ZdW

ANY QUESTIONS? If you aren't sure why you're on the list, or if you have any questions about how it works, you can contact the list administrator here bjt91287@yahoo.com.

Welcome!

R. TESTING KEYBIZ MAILING LIST WITH GAGGLE (Buddy)

This is a test of the new Gaggle.email group keybiz@gaggle.email

Reply will go to everyone in the group. Please reply to let us know that you received this.

Buddy -- You received this email as part of the keybiz@gaggle.email group. Click here to manage your membership.

Sent by laserbuddy@yahoo.com - Reply to sender

Click here to unsubscribe.

           REPLIED:  Joyce, Cathy, Shelley Buddy, Darlene, BJ
           NO REPLY : Arlene? Kate? Mary?

S. Moderators (per BJ): BUDDY, BJ, DARLENE, SOPHIE

T. WHAT WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT FOR EMAIL ADDRESSES

To be clear, here are the new Gaggle addresses:

Main Key to Harmony Group: keytoharmony@gaggle.email

Key Business Committee: keybiz@gaggle.email

U. Another Question and Answer RE STATUS ON AL-Anon “find a virtual meeting page”

Question (from Darlene) : How will this change our status on alaonon 'find a virtual meeting' page?

Answer (from Buddy): Currently they provide an email link to: Keytoharmony-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Key's Meeting Contact will need to ask them to change that to: join@key2harmony.org

V. Subscribing New Members (from Buddy)

Gaggle.email claims it keeps it simple and it does - maybe a bit too simple. With their built-in subscribe system, there is no way for list administrators to screen new subscribers. Anyone could subscribe, including spammers and robots, and begin posting messages to the list.

There is an easy work around. We set up our own subscription form with a captcha feature (Those "I am not a robot" things) and then we manually subscribe legitimate new members to the list.

I have already created a subscription form on the key2harmony.org website: http://key2harmony.org/join.html

The form sends the subscriber's name and email address to the email address join@key2harmony.org

Currently, join@key2harmony.org forwards only to me. I am willing to keep it that way during the transition from YahooGroups to the new Gaggle.email group, but in the future join@key2harmony.org will need to be forwarded to the administrators that you choose and train.

I will also set up a form for the administrators to use to make it easy to subscribe new members to the Gaggle group. But, after the initial transition, new member sign-ups should be easy to handle.

BTW, once we invite current Key members to the new Gaggle group, and the 14-day trial period for Gaggle ends, it does not mean that we have to shut down the YahooGroups immediately. Since we are not paying for YahooGroups, we could keep it in place as long as we need, but just not post openings and closings there any more.

That way, you can continue to post invitations to join the Gaggle group as long as needed.

It's simple. Current members of Key will be asked to go to this page and subscribe: http://key2harmony.org/join. html

All members of the KeyBiz list are already subscribed to the keytoharmony@gaggle.email list. You don't have to do anything.

W. Work to be Done (BJ)

We need to know and do:

Where is storage for files and emails How to add trailers to emails through both groups Where to store and how to automatically send Guidelines monthly and to newcomers upon joining if possible Make changes on web site Notify WSO and OLA-is of meeting changes What is "echo send"? Do we have moderators like at yahoogroups

I can't do all this myself unless Buddy guides me. I don'texpect him to do it all because we, on this committee, need to learn the ins and outs of gaggle email. That is one purpose of this committee. Who is willing to learn if Buddy agrees to help us? REPLIES:

a. From Buddy :Most of these issues are things that you can do/decide after the transition. I'll address each when I have time later today.

"Echo send" is the answer to senders not getting a copy of their own post. Turn that on and the sender gets a copy.

Please explain the duties of moderators at YahooGroups.

b. Darlene agrees to help

c. From BJ: Moderators at yahoogroups have access to the entire group for whatever reasons, unbounce members, check problems members might be having, delete/add members, send automated messages, up date/change trailers, etc., etc. Things that you, as the "owner", did when you were ay KEY. Hopefully, things have been updated so we don't have to do all that. Apparently, gaggle doesn't have that which should make things simpler.

I was just wondering if we have to set any situations for members if they don't know and ask. I do want to know where group files can be stored and where personal email storage is located.

d. A flurry of questions/answers ...too many to document

X. Buddy’ Input re: Work to be done

I'm going to address issues in the "Work to be done" list in a different order.

Thanks for today's meeting topic, BTW. Very timely for Key and for the Biz committee, because Gaggle does not have some of the features that YahooGroups provided (neither did Mailman) and you are going to have to change the way you have been doing some things.

>Notify WSO and OLA-is of meeting changes<<

I don't know how long it takes WSO to update its website, so whoever is your current Meeting Contact should notify them as soon as possible to change the email link to: join@key2harmony.org from the current YahooGroups link.

I will make the changes on the OLA-IS.org website as soon as you announce the new address to the membership.

>What is "echo send"?<<

Echo Send is under administrator Settings > General.

>Do we have moderators like at yahoogroups<<

Yes, at Gaggle these are called Administrators. The current administrators cannot simply make someone an adminstrator. We have to invite others to be an administrator and they have to accept by clicking on a link in the invitation email.

If you receive an administrator invite, click on the link to the Gaggle site where you will be asked to set up a Gaggle account (so that you can have a password). After you have a password and log in, go back to the email, click on the link again, and you will become an administrator (Yes, I know, a pain!)

I don't know who you want to be administrators, but choose them wisely now and in the future, because they have complete access to all controls including being able to DELETE the entire group.

NOTE: Gaggle has "moderators" but what they do is moderate messages BEFORE they are sent to the group, if a group has a need for that kind of moderation.

>Where is storage for emails<<

All messages are archived at Gaggle and can be found with the "Messages" link on the left side navigation pane. Administrators can see all messages at any time. Members have to request a link that allows viewing of the archives for one hour (don't ask me why!), as some of you discovered.

>How to add trailers to emails through both groups<<

These are called "headers and footers" and can be edited under administrator Settings > Design > Preview > Group Message. The Welcome message is also there for editing.

>Where is storage for files<<

There is none on the Gaggle site. These will have to be "stored" on Key2harmony.org

>Make changes on web site<<

Email me any changes needed to the website. It's part of your hosting service.

>Where to store and how to automatically send Guidelines monthly and to newcomers upon joining if possible<<

This is not possible with Gaggle. You are going to have to rely on your website to do the heavy lifting on communicating this information. The good news is, you already have all of that information on the website (although some will need to be rewritten to eliminate references to YahooGroups and related email addresses.

When we were able to get the key2harmony.org domain name again and redirected keyTWOharmony.org to the "new" site, I was able to find the original key2harmony.org design which included a "Members" section which included Welcome New Members, Frequently Asked Questions, KEY Officers and Coordinators, Who to Contact, Permission to Quote CAL. http://key2harmony.org/members.html

Those files are the current ones that you have been sending automatically from YahooGroups, and should be up-to-date except for the Yahoo references.

Here's my suggestion, instead of overwhelming new members with all of that information in a series of messages as soon as they join, I would suggest that you add a single link to the Members Information page in the welcome message inviting them to learn more about Key to Harmony and how it works.

There are technical reasons why you should keep the duplicate text in each Key email message to a minimum, including the headers and footers of each message, and to keep messages to a minumum. I don't want to burden you with all of the geekspeak, but simply put, Spam filters "grade" each email message by assigning "points" to various items within the message. When the grade gets to a certain level, it filters it as spam. If that grade is too high, they block it altogether.

But, they don't just grade that individual message, they compair it to all the other messages they are receiving and if they detech duplicate content repeated over and over, they will not only filter those messages, they will put the SENDER on a blacklist and stop delivering all mail from that sender.

Therefore, if you send out the same long block of type over and over again, as you have been doing with YahooGroups, you run the risk of being blacklisted. I suspect that is where Key finds itself today on the blacklists of Internet Service Providers across the country.

Trust me, sending hundreds of emails a week with these keywords included in each one can result in nothing else but the robots considering it to be spam: contributions, donations, check, money order, cash, currency. And then repeating the keyword "donation" 7 times!

Rather than include your treasurer/contribution info in each email, it would be much safer to send a "pass the basket" message once a month or so, and I suspect more effective.

When you decide how to set up your headers and footers, and how to present your Members Information to newcomers and current members, less is better.

I guess the next step is to decide who will be your administrators.

members can only join KEYbiz by notifying the administrator

      Flurry of questions re Administrators followed

Y. Request for Administrators

    Currently BJ and Buddy are Administrators.  More Administrators requested
    Agreed to be an Adminiistrator : Darlene, Shelley, unsure if I missed that Sophie said yes
a flurry of questions and answers between Administrators not recorded here

Z. Instructions from Buddy to BJ - On 30 Apr 2018, at 10:34, Buddy <laserbuddy@yahoo.com> wrote:

BJ, all of this is already done. Go to this page: http://key2harmony.org/members.html

You will see on that page links to the following: Welcome New Members Frequently Asked Questions What Is a Sponsor? KEY Officers and Coordinators Who to Contact Permission to Quote CAL Those are the files that used to be emailed to new members. Now all you have to do is send them a link to http://key2harmony.org/members.html

Please click on each link on that page when you have time and make sure I made all the necessary changes, removed all the references to YahooGroups, and changed the email links to a link to the Contact Us page.

     Replies :
      - from Joyce : Following, yes. However, it will take me quite a while to understand all. Time will tell.

       - from Cathy :  I don't think I have any questions.     Listening to all the talk here setting up.      I look forward to the change with no problems  and with help, if needed.    The only thing I don't completely get is how will it work for newcomers to join.      Will it be something Like what it was with yahoo?  
    I do see there is a link to our .org page telling newcomers about the group. But what about before that?      Thank you to all that are setting this up.

      - From Buddy:   I don't want to confuse the issues here, but I have it set up so that keybiz@key2harmony.org automatically goes to keybiz@gaggle.email

      - Also from Buddy:   The Key to Harmony information has been updated on the Online Al-Anon Outreach Committee website at:

http://www.ola-is.org/email-meetings.html

A-1. How Newcomers Will Now Join Key From Buddy : This is the process: we have a subscription form on the website for newcomers to use to join Key. It is located here: http://key2harmony.org/join.html

That form sends their name and email address to: join@keytoharmony.org

Whichever Gaggle Administrator receives that email (currently it's just me until the transition is done) will then manually add the new member to the Keytoharmony@gaggle.email group. This is a security feature to keep intruders from joining the group and posting spam and malware to the list.

>I do see there is a link to our .org page telling newcomers about the group. But what about before that?<<

I'm not sure what you mean by "before that"? Before what? Information about Key is on the OLA-IS.org website and the WSO website and, of course, on Key's website?

In the welcome message that new members receive, they will be invited to go to Key2Harmony.org to learn more about the group and how it works.

B-1. SIMPLIFIED BY BUDDY

There have been a lot of details to attend to and information to exchange and it sure can get overwhelming!

To keep it very simple, the only thing that is going to change about conducting the Key to Harmony weekly meetings is the email address to which opening, closings, and share are sent.

Instead of keytoharmony@yahoogroups.com it will be keytoharmony@gaggle.email

However, to send a share to the gaggle address, you have to be a member of the Keytoharmony@gaggle.email group. So we are going to have to invite all current Key members to go over to this page and sign up for the new group: http://key2harmony.org/join.html

As far as the meeting and the transition goes, that's it. It's that simple.

The rest is "housekeeping" technical stuff that we once did on YahooGroups that we can't do on Gaggle -- such as post Guidelines, treasurer's reports, secretary reports, chair schedules, etc.

Because Key did not have a webmaster or a Tech Team, you relied on features available at YahooGroups to post those files and reports. Now, because YahooGroups is apparently going away, we will have to use the website for those tasks.

But, those are issues for the future. The task at hand is "moving" the Key membership to the Gaggle.email group and then begin having meetings at the new keytoharmony@gaggle.email address.

C-1. Further conversations among Administrators, coordinators and Buddy not captured in these minutes. They involved getting the corrected information on the trailers that get tackled on to shares etc about how to donate etc. All that has to be in place before we can switch out of yahoogroups and also links corrected so as to be accessible.

D-1

E-1

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: May 2018 Minutes KEYBIZ PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 06/01/2018 01:13:10 PM

BODY:

May 2018  Minutes KTH (more concise)

Members Participating 1. Arlene-yes 2. Barb - yes 3 BJ - yes 4. Cathy - yes 5. Darlene - yes 6. Kate - yes 7. Joyce - yes 8. Shelley- yes 9. Sophie- yes 10. Buddy- yes

Reports:

1. AlternateChair (Shelley)

2. BusinessChair

3. ChairCoordinator (Barb)

4. CALCoordinator Joyce) I have posted (as an off-topic) The Loop-an email newsletter from WSO to the Membership. The Loop contains links to articles from The Forum.

5. OLARepresentative

6. Secretary ( Joyce) I have posted April Minutes to new Members site.

7. SponsorCoordinator (Sophie)

8. StatesideTreasurer (Arlene) Balance Feb 8: $416.21

      No debits/ credits
      Balance March 8:  $416.21
      Debit March 9:            97.20
               Netsonic web hosting
       Balance April 8:        319.01

We have $315.11 as of today.

Last month’s balance was: $319.01

  +25.00 donation
  - 28.90. Repaid Buddy for gaggle

Total balance now: $315.11 No expected expenses until next year. I think we are going to get a refund from Netsonic.

9. . TechTeam: Progress Report (Buddy)

  Successfully sending to all 64 members

10. Treasurer (Kate)

Old Businesses

TRANSITIONING OUT OF YAHOOGROUPS

             A1. Addresses —

Main Key to Harmony Group keytoharmony@gaggle.email . Business Committee keybiz@gaggle.email

A2 Questions from membership

How can we attract younger and newer members?

            answer :Key now has a mobile version of its website:

http://key2harmony.org/mobile/phone/

2. Where will Key to Harmony fit in the links of service?

3. How can I be assured my personal information will not be used outside answer: This is one of the reasons that we are moving from YahooGroups. Verizon bought out Yahoo and is putting Yahoo, AOL and everything Verizon under something called Oath. This new Oath entity doesn't even pretend to protect users personal information, according to its "privacy" policy.

At Gaggle, only certain members of the Key to Harmony Business Committee have access to members' information and all we have is a first name and an email address.

B. Website redesign discussed in detail while it was in progress as was process for want to be members to subscribe ( join ), Also whether or not to include donation trailers was discussed.

C. Awaiting Feedback on Mary of Oz...currently treating as not on Keybiz

Kate perusing this. Question as to whether Mary is a co-signature on AU account

D. Archiving Files Buddy sent directions for Officers and Coordinators to post files to Weblog and gave an example of Newsletter which he volunteered to

NEW BUSINESS

Forum Coordinator

Now CALCoordinator. Joyce asked if is appropriate for her to step down as CALCordinator now that she is Secretary ( she is willing to do both). There was no response to this question.

B. How to handle appeals for donations was fully discussed A decision was reached to no longer have donation requests appear in trailers . Kate indicated she could copy/paste it to her treasurer reports.

C. Prudent Reserve, handling donations etc. Suggestion was made to lower prudent reserve and explanation from BJ as to how prudent reserve is calculated: We double the webmaster figures ( that includes the domain name cost) and any other conceivable yearly expenses to know what our prudent reserve is; make an annual WSO donation; and go from there.

PayPal Account under discussion A checking account for handling stateside treasury (at cost of $15.00) for efficient, smooth debt paying and accommodate handling some donations as well. . D. Secretary Position Joyce volunteered to be Secretary and was affirmed

E. Tech Team/ Webmaster Buddy volunteered to be Tech Team/Webmaster and was affirmed.

F. Gaggle Pay

reply from the Gaggle people regarding payments to them.  We also get their non-profit discount.   Our 10 day trial is up on this KEYbiz group and we have a day or two left on the main group.  Thanks again to Buddy for mentioning the discount - similar to what we have gotten from NetSonic.   BJ

“You can be paid for your groups directly from the Account area of your group management page with a non-profit discount. Please feel free to use the discount code CANP15 to get 15% off any subscriptions you create.”

G. Webletter suggested and approved Buddy agreed to handle sending out a Newsletter periodically

H. Discussion of more options since yahoogroups has solved some problems

Respectfully submitted, Joyce

AUTHOR: CALCoordinator TITLE: CalCoordinator Report June 2018 PRIMARY CATEGORY:

DATE: 06/21/2018 05:19:44 PM

BODY: I have posted to the membership 2 WSO Email Newsletters “In the Loop” during June of 2018

AUTHOR: ChairCoordinator TITLE: Chair Schedule: June-Aug. 2018 PRIMARY CATEGORY: Chair Schedule CATEGORY: Chair Schedule

DATE: 06/23/2018 11:51:17 PM

BODY: Shelley June 3rd & 7th Concept 1 Brenda June 10th & 14th Step 8 Joyce June 17th & 21st Step 9 Ellen June 24th & 28th Step 10 Barb July 1st & 5th Concept 2 Brenda July 8th & 12th Step 11 Joyce July 15th & 19th Step 12 BJ July 22nd & 26th Tradition 1 Shelley July 29 & Aug. 2 Concept 3 Adrienne Aug. 5th & 9th Tradition 2 Darlene Aug. 12th & 16th Tradition 3 Cathy Aug. 19th & 23rd Tradition 4 Catherine Aug. 26th & 30th Tradition 5

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: June Activity Report PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 07/04/2018 12:32:58 PM

BODY: Here's is the June 2018 activity report from KeytoHarmony@Gaggle.email

Successfully sending to all 77 members

70 Messages sent this month.

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: Corrected June 2018 Keybiz Meeting Minutes PRIMARY CATEGORY:

DATE: 07/12/2018 09:03:03 AM

BODY: Minutes KTH June, 2018

BJ opened the meeting June 4th: Anyone have business items for discussion this month? Conversations, discussions, questions, suggestions are all welcome.

Members Participating 1. Arlene- yes 2. Barb - yes 3 BJ - yes 4. Cathy - yes 5. Darlene - yes 6. Kate - yes 7. Joyce - yes 8. Shelley- yes 9. Sophie- no 10. Buddy- yes 11. Adrienne - no

Reports: 1. AlternateChair (Shelley)

2. BusinessChair (BJ))

3. CALCordinator (Joyce) : I posted The Loop to members June 6th and June 20th

4. Meeting Coordinator (Barb) Shelley June 3rd & 7th Concept 1 Brenda June 10th & 14th Step 8 Joyce June 17th & 21st Step 9 Ellen June 24th & 28th Step 10 Barb July 1st & 5th Concept 2 Brenda July 8th & 12th Step 11 Joyce July 15th & 19th Step 12 BJ July 22nd & 26th Tradition 1 Shelley July 29 & Aug. 2 Concept 3 Adrienne Aug. 5th & 9th Tradition 2 Darlene Aug. 12th & 16th Tradition 3 Cathy Aug. 19th & 23rd Tradition 4 Catherine Aug. 26th & 30th Tradition 5 5. Secretary/Archivist (Joyce): I posted May Minutes to Keybiz and to key2harmony.org. I also edited January, February and March Minutes to make them concise and posted them to key2harmony.org.

6. SponsorCoordinator (Sophie)

7. StatesideTreasurer (Arlene)

8. Treasurer(Kate) October 2017 opening $341.12

          interest     $000.15
          closing     $341.27

November opening $341.27

          interest    $000.16
          closing    $431.43

December opening $341.43

          interest    $000.16
          closing    $341.58

January opening $341.58

          interest    $000.16
          closing    $341.74

February opening $341.74

          interest    $000.16
          closing    $341.90

March opening $341.90

          interest    $000.15
          closing    $342.05

April opening $342.05

          interest    $000.16
          closing    $342.21

9 Webmaster (Buddy) : Status of Keytoharmony@gaggle.email: Successfully sending to all 75 members

Business

Transition from yahoogroups: Automatic guidelines being revised to eliminate yahoogroups information . Also, Question if past Minutes can be moved to a safe place e.g. Weblog. That is hopefully in process. B. Affirmative that Minutes should be concise C. AU Treasury: Carol P is the current co-signature on this account D. Welcome new Keybiz member Adrienne E. OLA E1. (Buddy) clarified his status with the Online Al-Anon Outreach Committee (OLA). ). I am the webmaster of the OLA-IS.org website. That’s it. The website is the only remaining active function of OLA.We still have the mailing list and we occasionally discuss issues that affect OLA and Al-Anon as a whole (such as the YahooGroups problem), but the committee ceased having any official discussions

F. Stateside Treasurer : Arlene is stepping down from Stateside Treasurer F1. Shelley volunteered and was affirmed . Arlene will continue until transition complete

G. . Alternate Chairman : G1. This position now open as Shelley volunteered to be Stateside Treasurer. G2. Buddy volunteered and was affirmed.

G. Business Committee ( updated to reflect new officers ) Chairman: BJ

    Alternate Chairman:  Buddy

Treasurer: Kate

   Stateside Treasurer:  Shelley (Arlene until transition completed)

Secretary/Archivist: Joyce Webmaster: Buddy Meeting Coordinator: Barb K. Sponsorship Coordinator: Sophie

Members at Large: Cathy Adrienne Darlene Arlene (after transition completed)

Moderators/Administrators: Buddy, BJ, Darlene, Shelley

Respectfully submitted, Joyce and corrected July 8

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: July 2018 Meeting Minutes PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 08/01/2018 08:05:59 AM

BODY: Meeting Minutes July 2018

Members Participating

  1.  Adrienne- no
  2.  Arlene- yes
  3.  Barb - yes
  4.  BJ - yes
  5.  Buddy- yes
  6.  Cathy - yes
  7.  Darlene - yes 
  8.  Joyce - yes
  9.  Kate - yes
 10. Rose - yes
 11. Shelley- yes
 12. Sophie-  yes

Reports: 1. AlternateChair (Buddy)

2. BusinessChair (BJ))

3. CALCordinator (Joyce) : I posted The Loop to members July 2 and July 26

4. Meeting Coordinator (Barb)

5. Secretary/Archivist (Joyce):. Corrected June Minutes posted to Weblog

6. SponsorCoordinator (Sophie) : Not much on the sponsorship front. I had enquiries and requests for the sponsors list prior to our move to gaggle, nothing after...Any suggestions ? Do you think we need to include a sponsorship statement to our monthly mailings? Also, 4 members volunteered to sponsor.

7. StatesideTreasurer (Shelley/ and Arlene during transition) Shelley received paperwork of the treasurer records, will review, set up a new account etc. Due to complications, the transition my take est. 90 days

8. Treasurer(Kate)

9. Webmaster (Buddy) : Status of Keytoharmony@gaggle.email: Successfully sending to all 75 members.

BUSINESS:

A. Minutes for June presented for approval (Joyce) and posted to Weblog as corrected.

B. Minutes motion. : I move that we wait 3 days after Joyce posts the minutes and if nobody objects or has a comment, we all agree that they have been approved. Passed with suggested change to read 5-7 days.

C. Welcome to Rose

D. Directions for posting to Weblog. (Buddy) given to Keybiz members

E. Archived Minutes ( Buddy ) posted to Weblog except 2017 which couldn’t be found.

F. Welcome to Members discussion

Buddy wrote a  suggested a follow up Welcome letter and this was approved.

The Second Welcome will be as follows

We welcome you to the Key to Harmony online Al-Anon email meeting and hope you will find in this fellowship the help and friendship we have been privileged to enjoy.

For more information about Al-Anon Family Groups, our Key to Harmony meeting, and how it works, please visit the Members Information section of our website. http://key2harmony.org/members.html

There you can find information including:

   Welcome New Members
   Announcements and Reports
   Frequently Asked Questions
   What Is a Sponsor?
   KEY Officers and Coordinators
   Who to Contact
   Permission to Quote CAL

If you have any questions or need more information, please reply to this email and we will get back with you as soon as possible.

Respectfully submitted, Joyce

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: July 2018 Activity Report PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 08/01/2018 08:07:25 AM

BODY: Here is the July 2018 activity report for KeytoHarmony@Gaggle.email and website stats from Key2Harmony.org:

73 Messages Sent This Month

Successfully sending to all 81 members

Our new Key2Harmony.org website is beginning to gain some momentum:

<b>Total Unique Visitors July 2018</b>

<b>Daily Visitors July 2018</b>

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: August 2018 Activity Report PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 09/03/2018 08:47:51 AM

BODY: Here is the August 2018 activity report for KeytoHarmony@Gaggle.email and website stats from Key2Harmony.org:

81 Messages sent this month.

Successfully sending to all 110 members

You can see how our website traffic picked up after WSO changed the link to Key to Harmony on their website:

<h3>Total Unique Visitors August 2018:</h3>

<h3>Daily Visitors August 2018:</h3>

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: August 2018 KTH Meeting Minutes PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 09/07/2018 03:33:11 PM

BODY:

 August 2018 KTH Meeting Minutes

Members Participating

1.   Adrienne 
2.   Arlene- yes
3.   Barb - yes
4.   BJ - yes
5.   Buddy - yes
6.   Cathy - yes
7.   Darlene - yes
8.   Kate - yes
9.   Joyce - yes

10. Rose 11. Shelley- yes 12 Sophie- yes

Reports: 1. AlternateChair (Buddy) Buddy posted a report to the main list Aug. 11

2. BusinessChair (BJ))

3. CALCordinator (Joyce) : I posted IN THE LOOP to the members Aug. 22

4. Meeting Coordinator (Barb)

5. Secretary (Joyce):. July 2018 Minutes posted to Weblog

6. SponsorCoordinator (Sophie)

7. StatesideTreasurer (Shelley ): No change in funds as transition is underway from Arlene as Treasurer to Shelley as Treasurer

8. Treasurer(Kate): Report coming in a few days

9 Webmaster (Buddy) : The July 2018 Activity Report, now with website stats, has been posted to the Key blog: http://www.key2harmony.org/files/archives/000035.html

The website stats are NOT a function of Gaggle. They are a function of our website's control panel.

Now that WSO has finally updated their Key to Harmony link from the old Yahoo link to the new Key2Harmony.org link, new subscriptions have increased significantly. We've had 4 new members sign up since they changed the link last week. We now have 81 members.

Business Agenda items requested (BJ)

Answers to Questions:  Donations to WSO/GSO and Expected Expenses

A1. Annual expenses should be less than $100. Currently, they are $86.04 - $50 for web hosting (due in May 2019) and $36.04 for 81 Gaggle members (due May 11, 2019). But, that amount will go up 34 cents each time we add a new member to the Gaggle list. Our bill will come annually in May. When the NetSonic Bill comes, we can shut down that account and not pay that bill (we are no longer with yahoogroups). ( Buddy ).

A2. Annual Group donations to WSO and/or Australian GSO are generally made at the end of the year . The CMA receives an Appeal letter in November from WSO. Here at Key, a donation is usually made after all group bills are paid and an amount is retained to pay one year's bills if no donations are made, . (BJ)

A3. Question of when last donation was made and how much. Answer pending. .

B. Answer to Question: To Access Archives On Weblog B1. Go to Key2Harmony.org and Choose from left column: Member Information. Then, choose from middle column: Announcements and Reports. Archives will appear.

C. Request for Chairs for upcoming 3 months (Barb)

D. Minutes for July submitted for approval and posted to Weblog

E. Request to Change Secretary Job Description (Joyce) & now reads

Records the minutes of all Keybiz meetings. Forwards the completed minutes to Keybiz at the end of each month for review/corrections (5-7 days). Posts Minutes Weblog . Helps put together the monthly discussion agenda and keeps track of past motions, resolutions, and discussion items for future use by the BizCom when needed.

F. Transition from Arlene to Shelley as Treasurer F1. Shelley considering options for financial institution. F2. Tax Identification Number for non-profits needed...The TIN is assigned to the group, not the bank. It shouldn't matter what bank you use as long as you have the TIN. (Buddy) F3. Second signatory on account needed

Respectfully submitted, In service, Joyce

AUTHOR: ChairCoordinator TITLE: Chair Schedule Sept.-Dec. PRIMARY CATEGORY: Chair Schedule CATEGORY: Chair Schedule

DATE: 09/10/2018 07:58:21 AM

BODY: Barb Sept. 2nd & 6th Concept 4 Joyce Sept. 9th & 13th Tradition 6 Shelly Sept. 16th & 20th Tradition 7 Catherine Sept. 23rd & Sept. 27th Tradition 8 Buddy Sept. 30th & Oct. 4th Tradition 9

Sophie Oct. 7th & 11th Concept 5 Nancy Oct. 14th & 18th Tradition 10 Ellen Oct. 21st & 25th Tradition 11 Joyce Oct. 28th & Nov. 1st Tradition 12

Shelly Nov. 4th & 8th Concept 6 Barb Nov. 11th & 15th Step 1 Rose Nov. 18th & 22nd Step 2 Darlene Nov. 25th & 29th Step 3

AUTHOR: StatesideTreasurer TITLE: Stateside Treasurer's Report September 2018 PRIMARY CATEGORY: Treasurer's Report CATEGORY: Treasurer's Report

DATE: 09/17/2018 08:37:27 PM

BODY: New Account opened for the Stateside Treasurer at Essex Bank in the name of Key to Harmony with Shelley Short as signatory.

Account Balance 340.11

Donations can be sent via check to 2770 Checketts Dr Sandy Hook, VA 23153

Questions can be directed to Shelley@Key2harmony.org

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: September 2018 KTH Meeting Minutes PRIMARY CATEGORY:

DATE: 10/07/2018 07:55:03 AM

BODY: September 2018 KTH Meeting Minutes

Members Participating

1.   Arlene - yes
2.   Barb - yes
3.   BJ- yes
4.   Buddy - yes
5.   Cathy - yes
6.   Darlene - yes
7.   Kate - yes
8.   Joyce - yes
9.   Rose - yes

10. Shelley - yes 11. Sophie - yes

Reports: AlternateChair (Buddy) I posted the "monthly appeal for new members to the Business Committee" to the main Key list along with links to other reports and the website.

My original thinking on this was, if everyone posts their reports to the Key weblog, instead of the Keytoharmony list, then the Alt Chair links to those reports in his monthly report, it would cut down on OT posts to the main list.

BTW, Barb K. posted her Chair Schedule to the Key blog herself this month and I think she will tell you the process is simple and easy. Joyce has been posting her minutes there for a couple of months now.

And, in case you can't tell, this is a big hint that we need to utilize the Key weblog more. :)

If you haven't begun using the blog for your reports, please contact me and I can walk you through it. It's as easy as sending an email.

Buddy

2. BusinessChair (BJ))

3. CALCordinator (Joyce ) ( helper is now Barb): I posted to the Membership (as an Off Topic) a link to a handout from the World Service Conference about Facing Bias. I posted an IN THE LOOP FROM WSO on September 19th and a Correction to that email newsletter on September 20 th. In service, Joyce

4. Meeting Coordinator (Barb): Schedule posted to Weblog Barb Sept. 2nd & 6th Concept 4 Joyce Sept. 9th & 13th Tradition 6 Shelly Sept. 16th & 20th Tradition 7 Catherine Sept. 23rd & Sept. 27th Tradition 8 Buddy Sept. 30th & Oct. 4th Tradition 9

Sophie Oct. 7th & 11th Concept 5 Nancy Oct. 14th & 18th Tradition 10 Ellen Oct. 21st & 25th Tradition 11 Joyce Oct. 28th & Nov. 1st Tradition 12

Shelly Nov. 4th & 8th Concept 6 Barb Nov. 11th & 15th Step 1 Rose Nov. 18th & 22nd Step 2 Darlene Nov. 25th & 29th Step 3

5. Secretary/Archivist (Joyce):. August Minutes were posted to the Weblog September 7th. In service, Joyce

6. SponsorCoordinator (Sophie) There was one enquiry this past month about sponsorship : how it works, getting the sponsor’s list etc. In service Sophie

7. StatesideTreasurer (Shelley). Stateside: Account now in Essex Bank in Virginia under a sole proprietor account titled Key to Harmony with Shelley Short as the signatory. Balance 340.11 Balance needs to remain over 300$ to avoid a 7$ a month fee. Once the debit card is received, a PayPal account will be set up for online donations. Checks can be sent to: Shelley Short,2770 Checketts Dr., Sandy Hook, VA 23153. In service, Shelley

8. Treasurer(Kate)

9 Webmaster (Buddy) : The August activity report has been posted to the Key blog. You will notice a significant increase in traffic to our website after WSO finally changed the link to Key on their website.

You will also notice a significant increase in members: http://www.key2harmony.org/files/archives/000037.html

BUSINESS A. Change to Website Position considered, modified and passed. Website reflects the change. From Forum Coordinator to C.A.L.Coordinator: Sends to the Membership IN THE LOOP, an email newsletter from the World Service Office (WSO) and other information received from the World Service . Volunteers may help with this task and this Coordinator will train those who volunteer to help.

         A1 . Barb volunteered to help the C.A.L. Coordinator

B. Stateside Treasury: transition discussed (see Report)

C. Adrienne resigned from Keybiz

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: September 2018 Activity Report PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 10/17/2018 07:52:58 PM

BODY: Here is the September 2018 activity report for KeytoHarmony@Gaggle.email and website stats from Key2Harmony.org:

74 Messages sent this month.

Successfully sending to all 153 members

Website traffic report:

<h3>Total Unique Visitors August 2018:</h3>

<h3>Daily Visitors August 2018:</h3>

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: October 2018 Activity Report PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 11/01/2018 12:10:43 PM

BODY: Here is the October 2018 activity report for KeytoHarmony@Gaggle.email and website stats from Key2Harmony.org:

64 Messages sent this month.

Successfully sending to all 173 members

Website traffic report:

<h3>Total Unique Visitors October 2018:</h3>

<h3>Daily Visitors October 2018:</h3>

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: October 2018 KTH MEETING MINUTES PRIMARY CATEGORY:

DATE: 11/08/2018 08:45:24 AM

BODY: October 2018 KTH Meeting Minutes

Members Participating

1.   Arlene -
2.   Barb - yes
3.   BJ - Yes
4.   Buddy - yes
5.   Cathy - yes
6.   Darlene - Yes 
7.   Kate - 
8.   Joyce- yes
9.   Rose - yes

10. Shelley - yes 11. Sophie - yes

REPORTS 1. AlternateChair (Buddy) : The Alternate Chair report has been posted to the main Key mailing list.

2. BusinessChair (BJ))

3. CALCordinator (Joyce) : IN THE LOOP FROM WSO (email newsletter) was sent to the Membership on October 3rd and October 26. In Service, Joyce

4. Meeting Coordinator (Barb)

5. Secretary/Archivist (Joyce): The September 2018 KTH Meeting Minutes have been posted to the Weblog . In Service, Joyce

6. SponsorCoordinator (Sophie)

7. StatesideTreasurer (Shelley) Stateside account 340.11$ Shelley

8. Treasurer(Kate)

9 Webmaster (Buddy) : The September activity report has been (finally) posted to the Key blog: BUSINESS:

A. Renewal of Licensure to Quote CAL

B. PayPal donations

C. Consideration of reinstitution Greeter Coordinator Position . Those in favor : Barb, Cathy, Shelley , Rose, Sophie. Secretary unclear if Darlene changed from affirmative to negative Joyce: negative and suggested we have a position description before making a decision . Buddy offered cons and suggestions for website addition instead.

Awaiting a position description.

QUESTIONS AND IDEAS

Reports will be copy/ pasted to the Minutes when submitted by Officer/Coordinators to KeyBiz with Subject Line reading “Report” Electric Meeting Conference

Respectfully submitted, In service, Joyce

AUTHOR: CALCoordinator TITLE: October 2018 CAL CORIDINATOR REPORT PRIMARY CATEGORY:

DATE: 11/08/2018 08:48:30 AM

BODY: IN THE LOOP FROM WSO (email newsletter) was sent to the Membership on October 3rd and October 26. In Service, Joyce

AUTHOR: Treasurer TITLE: Treasurer's Report October 2018 PRIMARY CATEGORY: Treasurer's Report CATEGORY: Treasurer's Report

DATE: 11/17/2018 12:11:19 AM

BODY: Hi to you all from your Treasurer .

As usual, I have been very busy with North Queensland Area affairs. Travelling over the past week to visit groups in our area.

I will copy the words of one of our members who helps keep us all together,

"Thanks to Shelley we now have a way Key members can make donations online. On the website, every where we have the treasurers' information, we now have a PayPal donate button: http://key2harmony.org/members.html

The introduction text says:

Online Donations: To make a donation to Key to Harmony with your PayPal account or any credit or debit card, click on the donate button below.

The button also appears on these pages: http://key2harmony.org/faq.html http://key2harmony.org/addresses.html

Donations made via the website go directly into the Stateside bank account.

The Stateside account currently stands at $340.11, it would be good to make a donation to WSO soon.

Australian account: Bendigo Bank BSB 633000 Acc132832924

May: opening balance $342.21 interest $ .15 Closing balance $342.36

June: opening $342.36 interest .16 Closing balance $342.52

July opening $342.52 interest .16 closing balance $342.68

August opening $342.68 interest .16 Closing balance $342.84

September opening $342.84 interest .16 closing balance $343.00

October opening $343.00 interest .15 closing balance $343.15

it is great that you can now pay by PayPal directly into the K2H account, please donate if you can as we would love to make a donation to WSO soon. Hopefully we can make a donation as well from the Australian account as well. If there are any members in the AustraPacific area, you can make an electronic transfer directly into the Bendigo bank as well. The details are in this post.

Love to you all from a very hot Far North Queensland, fans roaring full blast in my house at the moment.

Kate Key to Harmony Treasurer

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: November 2018 Activity Report PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 12/02/2018 04:54:51 AM

BODY: Here is the November 2018 activity report for KeytoHarmony@Gaggle.email and website stats from Key2Harmony.org:

136 Messages sent this month.

Successfully sending to all 201 members

9 members unsubscribed this month

Website traffic report:

<h3>Total Unique Visitors November 2018:</h3>

<h3>Daily Visitors November 2018:</h3>

AUTHOR: Secretary TITLE: November 2018 KTH MEETING MINUTES PRIMARY CATEGORY: Secretary's Report CATEGORY: Secretary's Report

DATE: 12/08/2018 07:34:53 AM

BODY: November 2018 KTH MEETING MINUTES

Members Participating
1.   Arlene -
2.   Barb - yes
3.   BJ - yes
4.   Buddy - yes
5.   Cathy - yes
6.   Darlene - yes
7.   Kate - yes
8.   Joyce- yes
9.   Rose - yes

10. Shelley - yes 11. Sophie - yes

REPORTS 1. AlternateChair (Buddy) :

2. BusinessChair (BJ))

3. CALCordinator (Joyce) : IN THE LOOP FROM WSO (email newsletter) was sent to the Membership on November 7th and November 16th

4. Meeting Coordinator (Barb)

5. Secretary/Archivist (Joyce): The October 2018 KTH Meeting Minutes have been posted to the Weblog . In Service, Joyce

6. SponsorCoordinator (Sophie)

7. StatesideTreasurer (Shelley)

8. Treasurer(Kate) : Hi to you all from your Treasurer . As usual, I have been very busy with North Queensland Area affairs. Travelling over the past week to visit groups in our area.

I will copy the words of one of our members who helps keep us all together, "Thanks to Shelley we now have a way Key members can make donations online. On the website, every where we have the treasurers' information, we now have a PayPal donate button: http://key2harmony.org/members.html

The introduction text says:

Online Donations: To make a donation to Key to Harmony with your PayPal account or any credit or debit card, click on the donate button below.

The button also appears on these pages: http://key2harmony.org/faq.html http://key2harmony.org/addresses.html

Donations made via the website go directly into the Stateside bank account.

The Stateside account currently stands at $340.11, it would be good to make a donation to WSO soon.

Australian account: Bendigo Bank BSB 633000 Acc132832924

May: opening balance $342.21 interest $ .15 Closing balance $342.36

June: opening $342.36 interest .16 Closing balance $342.52

July opening $342.52 interest .16 closing balance $342.68

August opening $342.68 interest .16 Closing balance $342.84

September opening $342.84 interest .16 closing balance $343.00

October opening $343.00 interest .15 closing balance $343.15

Love to you all from a very hot Far North Queensland, fans roaring full blast in my house at the moment. Kate Key to Harmony Treasurer

9 Webmaster (Buddy) : The October Activity Report has been posted to the Key blog: http://www.key2harmony.org/files/archives/000043.html

BUSINESS:

Renewal of Licensure to quote C.A. L. Renewal of Gentle Reminder Coordinator Position and Committee: affirmed by majority (Shelley, Cathy, Buddy, Sophie, Joyce, Rose, Kate, Darlene). Members: Cathy, Rose, Darlene. Coordinator Position Description on Website. C. WSO Conference Call 11.12.2018 (BJ) D. Archiving Options D1. At Gaggle.email here are our options concerning archiving messages.

   Message archive: Yes or No. We currently have this set to Yes. The current archive goes back to our first messages on May 4, 2018.

   Who can view message archive: Administrators Only or Members and Administrators. We currently have this set to Members and Administrators.

Who can view members list: Administrators Only or Members and Administrators. We currently have this set to Administrators Only.

Questions and Answers 1. About Activity Report 2. Glitch with groups.io on google 3. Suggested definition of crosstalk

In Service, Joyce

AUTHOR: TechTeam TITLE: January 2019 Activity Report PRIMARY CATEGORY: Announcements CATEGORY: Announcements

DATE: 02/02/2019 04:53:20 AM

BODY: Here is the January 2019 activity report for KeytoHarmony@Gaggle.email and website stats from Key2Harmony.org:

154 Messages sent this month.

Successfully sending to all 243 members

25 members unsubscribed this month

Website traffic report:

<h3>Total Unique Visitors January 2019 and Year 2018:</h3>

<h3>Daily Visitors January 2019:</h3>

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